Debate

Who is YHWH, Dual Seedline Debate, Trinity

Israel Anderson and “Indirect Donnie” Donnie Discerned Debated.

 

 

 

 

Dark Origins

Established by Force: The DARK history of “Christian Nationalism” or Church & State

 

 

 

Again. The actual early church fathers were the people who wrote the Gospels. None of them teach a triune trinity God. Neither does anyone in the old testament.

Who DOES teach a trinity God?

All Pagans.

Semiramsis Nimrod and Tammuz. The Catholic Father Mary and Baby Jesus.

Thus we find, with Catholicism and mass murder of true doctrine keeping Christians – Came this injection of lies and false doctrines contradicting the words of Yashuah himself.

~Dustin Nemos

Basically I agree with Tertullian, in short.

 

The Right Hand (Yeshuah) is a creation of God
The Breathe (Ruach / Holy Spirit) is God’s Breathe

 

So God is a duality, the Son and the Father. Is Christ himself God manifested, or a separate entity? It’s confusing and the debate has raged on for 2000 years. I am collecting both sides “arguments” in this case for you to make a better educated decision.

 

Yashuah:

Prays to YHWH (John 17:20-23+++)

Does NOT know what YHWH knows (Matthew 24:36+)

Says He is NOT good, only YHWH is good. (Mark 10:18)

Claims He was the VINE, of the husbandman (gardener) (John 15:15)

Says He does NOT seek His own glory, but only YHWH’s (John 8:50)

Was Created (Proverbs 8:22-31)

YHWH was ALONE at first creation. (~2 Esdras 6:1-6)

Has NO POWER Alone. (John 5:30)

WAS TEMPTED, GOD CANNOT BE TEMPTED. (~James 1:13-14, ~Matthew 4:1)

Described as separate spirits in Heaven.

A common understanding of God that is problematic with the verses above.

 

Testing against Scripture:

 

Separate of God:

Is the TRINITY True? Part 1 | TRUTH SLEUTHS w/ Matthew Janzen

 

Even IN HEAVEN Yashuah is described as a separate spirit from God – such as the 7 horned and 7 eyed lamb.

 

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

~Matthew 22:44

Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

~Acts 2:33

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

~Romans 8:34

 

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

~Acts 7:55–56

 

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
~Ephesians 1:20

 

3 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
~Colossians 3:1

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

~Hebrews 1:3

 

Hebrews 8:1, Hebrews 10:12, Hebrews 12:2, 1 Peter 3:22, Revelation 3:21, etc

 

 

Yeshuah’s Words:

 

And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. ~Mark 10:18

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. ~Matthew 24:36

 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.”
~John 15:15

Does this mean that the seed and plant are the same. But separated. Becoming individual and unique. Like a cutting taken from a tree?

 

​​ And I seek not Mine own glory (credit): there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

~John 8:50

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

~John 5:30

 

A number of other incidents also bring into question if Jesus is claiming to be God himself (YHWH) – Such as Satan attempting to tempt Yeshuah/Jesus in the wilderness. Why bother, if He is God?

“No theologian in the first three Christian centuries was a trinitarian in the sense of a believing that the one God is tripersonal, containing equally divine “persons”, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”

~Source

 

²² The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

²³ I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

²⁴ When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

²⁵ Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

²⁶ While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

²⁷ When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

²⁸ When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

²⁹ When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

³⁰ Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

³¹ Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

~Proverbs 8 22:31

 

1He said to me, ‘At the beginning of the circle of the earth, before the portals of the world were in place, and before the assembled winds blew, 2and before the rumblings of thunder sounded, and before the flashes of lightning shone, and before the foundations of paradise were laid, 3and before the beautiful flowers were seen, and before the powers of movements were established, and before the innumerable hosts of angels were gathered together, 4and before the heights of the air were lifted up, and before the measures of the firmaments were named, and before the footstool of Zion was established, 5and before the present years were reckoned and before the imaginations of those who now sin were estranged, and before those who stored up treasures of faith were sealed— 6then I planned these things, and they were made through me alone and not through another; just as the end shall come through me alone and not through another.’

~2 Esdras 6:1-6

 

²³ And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

²⁴ Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

~John 16:23-24

 

 

He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? He entered the house of God and ate the bread of the Presence, which it was not lawful for him or his companions to eat, but only for the priests.”

~Matthew 12:3-4 NRSV

 

 

¹³ Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

¹⁴ But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

~James 1:13-14

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4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

~Matthew 4:1

 

¹⁶ Ye shall not tempt the Lord your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

~Deuteronomy 6:16

 

God-Manifested?

” I and my Father are one.” ~John 10:30

Or does this mean they are of the same mind/agenda . Because remember Mark 10:18 and Ephesians 5:22-33 KJV For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh

 

²⁰ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

²¹ That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

²² And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

²³ I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

~John 17:20-23

Is this saying we are in the same family as YHWH and Yashuah? Or that we BECOME THEM? Clearly, we do not become Gods or God.

 

 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God, All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made”

~John 1:1-3

(read WITH concordance on.. Word=Logos=Spoken into existence by a creator, right?)

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/kjv/logos.html

 

⁸ Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

⁹ For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

~Colossians 2:8-9

 

⁷ For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5:7

 

 

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

~1 Timothy 3:16

Manifest = Made Known By Teaching among possible meanings.

Flesh = In the body of a man

So the non Trinitarian would likely see this as God was made known by teachings from a man of flesh. As Jesus IS THE WORD of God, it simply means The Word of God manifested as a man of flesh. But not God himself.

 

Jude 5:5?

Does NOT Refer to Jesus, Here is why:

 

In Jude 1:1, 4, 21, and 25 as seen in English bibles, the word God is translated from the Greek words θεω, θεου, or θεον, each a form of θεός, and each referring to the supreme deity of Israel.

In Jude 1:4, the first appearance of the English word Lord is rendered from the Greek word δεσπότην, a form of δεσπότης meaning absolute ruler; i.e., a despot, and refers to the supreme deity of Israel. The second appearance of Lord in Jude 1:4 is translated from a different Greek word, κυριον, a form of κυριος, meaning supreme controller and also refers to the supreme deity of Israel

Lastly, in Jude 1:5, 9, 14, 17, and 21, the English word Lord is translated from the Greek word κυριον, a form of κύριος (also seen in Jude 1:9) meaning supreme controller. As explained in Jude 1:4 (see above), this word refers to the supreme deity of Israel.

Accordingly, the words “God” and “Lord” appearing in English translations of the book of Jude do NOT refer to Jesus, but to יהוה (YHVH), the Jewish name for the supreme deity of the ancient tribes and modern nation of Israel).

~Pat Ferguson

 

Michael Heiser was in favor of this position: Is Jesus God?

Pagan Doctrines

The Catholic attempt to push a trinity is in reality merely another pagan injection – the Unholy Trinity of Mystery Babylon, Nimrod, Semiramsis and Tammuz, See:

Baal Nimrod Apollo – Deified Deep State Transhumanist Satanist NWO God-King – Man of Many Names

 

 

Trinity Challenge – The Bible does NOT support the theory of a triune godhead.

“But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commands of men.’”
— Matthew 15:9

Definition of the Trinity: The Trinity doctrine is the central doctrine of mainstream Christianity. According to the Athanasian Creed, there are three divine Persons (the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit/Ghost), each said to be eternal, each said to be almighty, none greater or lesser than another, each said to be God, and yet together being but one God. Other versions of this dogma emphasize that these three “Persons” are not separate and distinct individuals but are three modes in which the divine essence exists. Most Trinitarians emphasize their belief (without scriptural support) that Jesus is God, or that Jesus and the Holy Spirit/Ghost are YHWH. THIS IS NOT A BIBLICAL TEACHING, BUT RATHER A DOCTRINE OF MEN.

What is the origin of the Trinity Doctrine?
The New Encyclopedia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4)… The doctrine developed gradually over many centuries and through many controversies… By the end of the 4th century [more than 400 YEARS AFTER Jesus died]… the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.” —(1976), Micropaedia, Vol. X, pg. 126.
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.” —(1967), Vol. XIV, pg. 299.
The Encyclopedia Americana says: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian (believing that God is one person). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.” —(1956), Vol. XXVII, pg. 294L.
(Nemos Note: Judaism is Phariseeism 2.0 in Response TO Christianity, YOUNGER than Christianity – The common misconception is that Judaism is the older. This is false – but the Phariseeism was Satan’s Talmudic commentary (Jesus rebuked it as the “Tradition of the elders” in that time, pre publishing) on Torah.

Torah > Talmudic Phariseeism (Satan’s Infiltration) > Christ Rebuked > Christianity Broke Away From Talmudism > Judaism Is Born (Talmudic Response to Christ, Judaism is Talmudism+Antichrist Doctrines))

These quotes prove beyond any doubt that the Trinity dogma was completely fabricated by imperfect men some FOUR HUNDRED YEARS AFTER Jesus’ death. Jesus did not teach this doctrine. The apostles did not teach this doctrine. In fact, this trinity doctrine was antithetical to the Bible and to true Christianity. “Repeat a lie often enough and loud enough, eventually it will become accepted as ‘truth’” The books of Timothy warned us repeatedly that such a false doctrine would come and corrupt the one true way to lead many astray.

“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons”
— 1 Timothy 4:1

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.”
— 2 Timothy 4:3-4

“If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words—those of our Lord Jesus Christ—and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited, understanding nothing but having a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
— 1 Timothy 6:3-5

Neither the word “Trinity” nor a statement of the Trinitarian dogma is found anywhere in the Bible.
Despite this undeniable fact, Trinitarians will often limply say “Well, it’s not in there specifically, but it’s strongly implied by such and such scriptures…” as they go on to regurgitate the same set of scriptures. These scriptures, which when read in the proper context or even just read as they are, do not say or even imply what the Trinitarian “believes” them to at all, and often they say the exact opposite! When the scriptures they cite fail to prove their theory, they quickly shift their argument to something like this: “God is so much more awesome than we, mere mortals, can ever hope to comprehend! And if you question that, you’re an evil blasphemer!!”

Apparently, this line or something like it, is what shut them up and stopped them from asking any further questions about this doctrine taught by their preachers and that is truly sad! Such attempts to shame me into silence will NOT work! I see through the feigned piety and hypocritical humility of such arguments. Most times though, the well intentioned people regurgitating these lies have no such intention of being hypocritical and false, they are simply victims of the brainwashing by others in positions of authority within their churches. But TRULY, TRULY TRULY I say to you, God wants us to KNOW HIM!! Consider carefully the following scriptures:

“They shall know that I am Yahweh their God who brought them out of the land of Egypt, that I might dwell among them; I am Yahweh their God.”
—Exodus 29:46
“To you it was shown that you might know that Yahweh, He is God; there is no other besides Him.”
—Deuteronomy 4:35
“Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.”
— Deuteronomy 4:39
“God is known in Judah;
His name is great in Israel.”
— Psalm 76:1
“For I know that Yahweh is great
And that our Lord is greater than all gods.”
— Psalm 135:5
“Know that Yahweh, He is God; It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;
We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.”
—Psalm 100:3
“You are My witnesses,” declares Yahweh,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no god formed,
And there will be none after Me.”
—Isaiah 43:10
“And by smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action.”
— Daniel 11:32.

In order for us to be one of God’s people, we must know the nature and personhood of God. If we do not even know the basic nature of God, we will be deceived by the smooth sounding doctrines of men and turn to godlessness!

Does the Bible teach that the “Holy Spirit” is a person?
Short answer, no, not really… but let’s go over some scriptures and see what the Bible actually has to say and what we can conclude from them.
Some scriptures do indeed seem to indicate that the Holy Spirit has a separate personality. For example, when the Holy Spirit is referred to as a “Helper”, “Comforter”, or “Advocate” that “teaches”, “speaks”, “bears witness”, and “hears”:

“And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate, that He may be with you forever; the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. You know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.”
— John 14:16-17
“But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.”
— John 14:26
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness about Me,”
— John 15:26
“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come”
— John 16:13
But other scriptures say that people were “filled” with holy spirit, that some were “baptized” with it or “anointed” with it.
“As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
— Matthew 3:11
And it happened that when Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
— Luke 1:41
You know of Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
— Acts 10:38
Such references to holy spirit certainly do not fit the qualities of a person. To understand what the Bible teaches as a whole, all of these scriptures must be considered. The first set of scriptures from John implying “personhood” are in fact a figure of speech personifying God’s holy spirit, His active force, in the same way the Bible personifies wisdom, truth, sin, and death.
The Bible tells us the personal name of the Father—YHWH (however you want to pronounce it). The Bible also tells us the personal name of the Son— Jesus. But nowhere in the scriptures is a personal name applied to the holy spirit.
(Nemos Note: As they removed YHWH nearly 7000 times, they changed Yahshua’s original name to Jesus, see https://theserapeum.com/god-is-not-dead-debate-series-how-to-prove-god/)
“But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God”
— Acts 7:55-56

When Stephen was given a vision of heaven, he saw “Jesus standing at the right hand of God.” But he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit.
“and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,
“Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb”
— Revelation 7:10
“Then he showed me a river of the water of life, bright as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb”
— Revelation 22:1
“And there will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His slaves will serve Him”
— Revelation 22:3
If the holy spirit was a person and was part of some triune godhead, wouldn’t it be included to sit on the throne of God? Jesus, the Lamb of God is included here; if all three are equal yet separate persons, why isn’t the holy spirit included to sit on the throne of God??
The New Catholic Encyclopedia admits: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” (1967 Vol. XIII, pg. 575) It also reports: “The Apologists [Greek Christian writers of the second century] spoke too haltingly of the Spirit; with a measure of anticipation, one might say too impersonally.” — Vol. XIV pg. 296.

Does the Bible support the theory that the Father and the Son are one in the same entity?
Nope, not even close. The Father and the Son are DEFINITELY TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT INDIVIDUALS. But let’s see how the Bible proves this beyond any doubt…
“And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”— Matthew 26:39
If the Father and the Son were not distinct and separate individuals, then such a prayer from Jesus would have been meaningless. If the Son was the Father then Jesus would have just been praying to himself, and Jesus’ will (to not suffer and die) would have already been God’s will (to allow the death of His Son) and this prayer would lose all meaning.

“Even in your law it has been written that the witness of two men is true. I am He who bears witness about Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness about Me.”
— John 8:17-18
Jesus himself is declaring that he (Jesus) and the Father are TWO separate witnesses. He is also affirming that he (Jesus) was sent by the Father. If the Father and the Son are ONE, as Trinitarians claim, then why would the Father have to SEND the Son?? Couldn’t the Father/Son have just COME of their own accord??

“Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’”
— John 8:54
If Jesus is the Father, then wouldn’t this make the glory of Jesus nothing, because wouldn’t he be glorifying himself here in this passage? If that were the case, wouldn’t that also make Jesus a liar? If the Father and the Son are one and the same, wouldn’t that then make God a liar? Only the Trinity doctrine would make such a blasphemous conundrum possible! Surely, Jesus is glorified by God. There is no doubt that Jesus is the truth! It is not in God’s nature to lie and it is an impossibility for God to lie, and yet the Trinity doctrine has made it seem as though it were.

“Therefore, God also highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
— Philippians 2:9-11
If the Trinity doctrine were true, this scenario in Philippians should read more like this: God highly exalted Him(self), and bestowed on Him(self) the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus(YHWH) every knee will bow…and that every tongue that will confess that Jesus(YHWH) is Lord(God), to the glory of God(Jesus) (Himself). The Trinity doctrine is absolutely insane and no reasonable and sound minded person can ever wrap their head around it and fully comprehend it and as such the Trinitarian Hustle ensues where they want to separate you from God by claiming their dogma is correct but you are wrong for trying to understand it.

Does the Bible teach that all who are said to be part of the Trinity are eternal, none having a beginning?
Again, no it does not. The ONLY eternal, non-created being in all of the Bible is YHWH God, the Father. But don’t take my word for it, let’s see what the Bible has to say on this matter:
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities⁠—all things were created through him and for him.”
— Colossians 1:15-16
Just like many human sons are the image of their earthly fathers, so Jesus is the image of His Father in Heaven. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. Personally, I think Jesus is the Light spoken into existence at Genesis 1:3 when God said “Let there be Light!”… but that’s a whole ‘nother topic and not one I’m super knowledgeable about, so I won’t be defending that one! LoL! But I digress…! Everything in creation was created by God and for Jesus. Furthermore, everything else that came after Jesus was created THROUGH Jesus, NOT “by Jesus”, but THROUGH him… much like an architect creates building structures THROUGH a carpenter. YHWH God the Father, is the eternal master architect, and Jesus the Son is the master carpenter. God even chose Joseph, a carpenter, to be the adoptive earthly father of His only begotten Son. Jesus was often referred to as the Carpenter! I don’t think that was coincidental, do you? Finally, everything YHWH God the Father created was for His Son Jesus! All loving fathers love to give their children the best gifts they can! And the creator of the universe gave His Son ALL OF CREATION!! How awesome is that?!

“The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him …”
— Revelation 1:1
“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.’”
— Revelation 3:14
God the Father gave the message of Revelation to Jesus His Son to deliver to Paul. Jesus the Son, being the faithful and true witness that He is, delivered that message as ordered. Finally, we see that Jesus is the beginning of God’s creation. So, yes, Jesus was definitely created. Jesus was the first creation of God, and so Jesus has been in existence for almost as long as God has. This verse is often used by Trinitarians to justify their belief that Jesus is an eternal being with no beginning and no end:
“But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
Too little to be among the clans of Judah,
From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
His goings forth are from everlasting,
From the ancient days.”
— Micah 5:2
One needs only to understand the difference between the words “eternal” and “everlasting”, and yes they are different. From a web search of “eternal vs everlasting”: “Eternal refers to existence outside of time, possessing neither a beginning nor an end, and is typically reserved for divine or abstract concepts. Everlasting denotes existence within time that has a beginning but no end, emphasizing continuous duration rather than timelessness.”

Does the Bible teach that all three aspects of the Trinity are co-equal, that none is greater or less than another, or that all three are almighty?
Absolutely not! There is only ONE Almighty God and it’s YHWH the Father. Jesus, himself, was perfectly clear and forthcoming about His Father’s superiority over himself. Pay attention to what Jesus says:
“‘But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.’”
— Mark 13:32
Jesus clearly states here that there are things His Father knows, which no one else, not even Jesus knows himself. The Trinitarian Hustle that “But the Son was limited by his human nature from knowing…” does not satisfy the following questions: Why did the Holy Spirit not know then? During the 40 days Jesus was resurrected and speaking with his disciples and answering their questions or when Jesus is giving the Revelation to Paul, why did Jesus still not answer these questions about the knowledge only the Father has??

“Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Him with her sons, bowing down and making a request of Him. And He said to her, “What do you wish?” She said to Him, “Command that in Your kingdom these two sons of mine may sit one on Your right and one on Your left.” But Jesus answered and said, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They said to Him, “We are able.” He said to them, “My cup you shall drink; but to sit on My right and on My left, this is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by My Father.’”
— Matthew 20:20-23
If the Trinity were true, this statement by Jesus would not make any sense. If Jesus was God the Father, then couldn’t Jesus have just granted or denied their request based upon his own prerogative? Clearly, Jesus is not co-equal to nor almighty as YHWH God the Father is. And clearly YHWH the Father has reserved some special privileges for Himself in regards to His Son’s reign.

“‘Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.’”
— Matthew 12:31-32
If the Holy Spirit were a person and was also God, this text would flatly contradict the Trinity doctrine, because it would mean that in some way the Holy Spirit was greater than the Son. Instead, what Jesus said shows that the Father, to whom the “Spirit” belonged, is greater than Jesus, the Son of man.

“‘You heard that I said to you, ‘I go away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I go to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.’”
— John 14:28
Jesus affirms that the Father is greater than the Son. Obviously, Jesus and YHWH are not equal, for one is greater than the other.

“‘but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me.’”
— John 14:31
If the Trinity were true this would be a pretty vain statement. If Jesus was the Father also, then this would be self love and Jesus would only do what he wanted. That’s so obviously not the case here. Clearly, YHWH the Father is in charge and Jesus the Son does exactly as His Father commands Him.

“But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.”
— 1 Corinthians 11:3
This scripture lays out clearly the universal hierarchy with YHWH God the Father as the ultimate and greatest authority over all, and specifically over Jesus Christ. This scripture alone shatters the illusion of the Trinity’s lie the YHWH God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son are both “separate personalities and equal in power.” Clearly, the Father is the one and only Almighty God. Any claim to the contrary is just not based in scripture.

Is Jesus Christ actually YHWH God?
NO! This is the most common assertion of Trinitarians and every time I see it or hear it I must push back with the facts of scripture accurately translated and correctly read in the proper context because there are many popular translations which have twisted the meaning of the actual original language in order to twist and fit God’s Word into their dogma. Consider the following examples of how the slight changes in grammar have rendered the scriptures cited completely in contradiction with the rest of scripture:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
— John 1:1
This scripture alone is the most powerful and effective “defense” that Trinitarians have. Unfortunately for them, it completely falls apart when you realize that the passage has been mistranslated. What do I mean? In the phrase “the Word was with God” the word “God” has the definite article “Ó”(the) in front of the Greek word the•os’ which is referring to THE Almighty God, YHWH. Later, in the passage where it says “and the Word was ‘God’”, the Greek word the•os’ does NOT include the definitive article “Ó” (the) and therefore should have been translated as “and the Word was a god” or “and the Word was divine.”
“The articular (when the article appears) construction of the noun [the•os’] points to an identity, a personality, whereas a singular anarthrous (without the article) predicate noun before the verb (as the sentence is constructed in Greek) points to a quality about someone. So the text [John 1:1] is not saying that the Word (Jesus) was the same as the God with whom he was but, rather, that the Word was godlike, divine, a god.” (1985, Reasoning from the Scriptures, pg. 212)
There are quite a few Bible translations which translate this particular verse correctly and they are as follows:
The New English Bible (1970).
A New Translation of the Bible (1934), James Moffatt.
The Bible—An American Translation (1935), J.M. Powis Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed.
The Emphatic Diaglott (1864), Benjamin Wilson.
So now that we’ve addressed the translational error of John 1:1, let’s move on to proper context. Consider the following scriptures from the book of John:
“No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”
— John 1:18
“And I myself have seen, and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
— John 1:34
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”
— John 17:3
Jesus said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, ‘I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.’”
— John 20:17
So Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you.”
— John 20:21
“Therefore many other signs Jesus also did in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.”
— John 20:30-31

Does the Bible teach that each of those said to be part of the Trinity is God?
This Trinitarian lie that there are 3 Gods in 1 is completely illogical and not supported by any scriptures whatsoever. The scriptures used by Trinitarians to “prove” this theory are always taken out of context and twisted to serve the purposes of the dogma at the expense of the truth. There are MANY scriptures throughout the Bible which affirm that there s only one Almighty Father God and His name is YHWH. But just from the New Testament, here are a few which make it clear that Christianity did not abandon Unitarianism in favor of a Triune godhead:
“‘And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’”
— John 17:3
Jesus is praying to His Father YHWH and asking for Christians to know YHWH, “the only true God.” YHWH could not be “the only true God” if there are two others who are God to the same degree as He is. Any others referred to as “gods” must be either false or merely a representation of the true God.

“For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth⁠—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”⁠— yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.”
— 1 Corinthians 8:5-6
These verses present the Father as the “one God” of Christians and as being in a class distinct from Jesus Christ. YHWH is God. Jesus is Lord. Everything comes FROM YHWH and THROUGH Jesus. Pretty clear that both are not God.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
— 1 Peter 1:3
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
— John 20:17
The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
— Revelation 3:12
Repeatedly, even following Jesus’ ascension into heaven the scriptures and even the ascended Jesus himself refers to the Father as “the God” of Jesus Christ. But never in the Bible is the Father reported to refer to the Son as “my God” nor does either the Father or the Son refer to the holy spirit as “my God.”

~Doublethink33, TheSerapeum.com/chat

 

 

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Comments: THE RESSURECTED JESUS YEHSUA TELLS US IN REEVELATIONS “4” TIMES HE HAS A GOD! JOHN 17:3 EVERY OPENING MESSAGE IN PAULS LETTERS HE GIVES HONOR AND GLORY TO YAHWEH “AND” OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST….

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Philippians 1:11we have to pray THROUGH Yahwahshua, TO Yahwah.
Ephesians chapters 1 and 2 contains repeated distinctions between God and Messiah.
Philippians 2:5-6 Yahwahshua is the same FORM as God, NOT God, NOT equal to God
John 14:7 God’s spirit dwells in Messiah, NOT God is Messiah.
Acts 2:22 God performed miracles THROUGH Yahwahshua

God is NOT three persons: Deuteronomy 6:4; Malachi 2:10; Mark 10:17-18; Romans 3:29-30
Son was CREATED; God alone before: Revelation 3:14 (the “Amen” is Jesus see also Hebrews 3:6; 2 Corinthians 1:20; Revelation 1:5; John 1:14); Colossians 1:15; Isaiah 44:6″

 

 

 

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